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etwork when I came to this job, but they were not under IT-e.g., no policie=
s applied to them. They just got onto the internet. Big problem. Anytime th=
ey came to my predecessor with a question it was "beyond the scope of his j=
ob" since they weren't under his authority.

Since we have made the switch, yes, they have less individual control. But =
most of them are so thankful to have someone to call to be able to troubles=
hoot problems they don't care. My experience is that people are will to liv=
e under certain protocols provided they get good service.

Bottom line, if it were me, I insist that all networked computers (physical=
ly connected internally) be managed by IT.

Dan

From: discuss-bounces at itdiscuss.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at itdiscuss.org] =
On Behalf Of Rob Shaw
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:55 AM
To: discuss at itdiscuss.org
Subject: [itdiscuss] Need advice

Our Worship Arts dept is insisting they have some computers they believe ha=
ve no need to be on the network or under IT's protection ("control" is actu=
ally the word they used).  But they still want to be able to transfer files=
 between networked and non-networked PCs.

I am wondering if anyone else is in this situation and how you handle the n=
on-controlled (or less controlled) PCs in your environment (PCs include Mac=
s, too)?

As a compromise, I am currently thinking that even these computers should b=
e networked (for their stated need, as well), but can be outside of the reg=
ular nightly updates and would only be updated monthly(?).  Additionally, t=
hese PCs would be outside of the usual desktop control.  And one person in =
their department (the most computer-savvy), would be given local admin righ=
ts on their PCs (giving them the faster/instant service) but would be respo=
nsible for reporting to me anything they needed to do with these rights on =
any of their computers. And above all, EVERY PC would maintain proper antiv=
irus protection (currently using SOPHOS on Macs and PCs).

PLEASE... any thoughts or suggestions???!!


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>My response would be &#8=
220;Why
do they no longer need to be under IT? What has changed?&#8221;<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>From my perspective, we =
had
entire deparments physically connected to the network when I came to this j=
ob,
but they were not under IT&#8212;e.g., no policies applied to them. They ju=
st
got onto the internet. Big problem. Anytime they came to my predecessor wit=
h a
question it was &#8220;beyond the scope of his job&#8221; since they weren&=
#8217;t
under his authority.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Since we have made the s=
witch,
yes, they have less individual control. But most of them are so thankful to
have someone to call to be able to troubleshoot problems they don&#8217;t c=
are.
My experience is that people are will to live under certain protocols provi=
ded
they get good service.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bottom line, if it were =
me, I
insist that all networked computers (physically connected internally) be
managed by IT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
discuss-bounces at itdiscuss.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at itdiscuss.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Rob Shaw<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 06, 2009 10:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> discuss at itdiscuss.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [itdiscuss] Need advice<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Our Worship Arts dept is insisting they have some comp=
uters
they believe have no need to be on the network or under IT&#8217;s protecti=
on
(&#8220;control&#8221; is actually the word they used).&nbsp; But they stil=
l
want to be able to transfer files between networked and non-networked PCs.<=
o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>I am wondering if anyone else is in this situation and=
 how
you handle the non-controlled (or less controlled) PCs in your environment =
(PCs
include Macs, too)?<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>As a compromise, I am currently thinking that even the=
se
computers should be networked (for their stated need, as well), but can be
outside of the regular nightly updates and would only be updated
monthly(?).&nbsp; Additionally, these PCs would be outside of the usual des=
ktop
control.&nbsp; And one person in their department (the most computer-savvy)=
,
would be given local admin rights on their PCs (giving them the faster/inst=
ant
service) but would be responsible for reporting to me anything they needed =
to
do with these rights on any of their computers. And above all, EVERY PC wou=
ld
maintain proper antivirus protection (currently using SOPHOS on Macs and PC=
s).<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>PLEASE&#8230; any thoughts or suggestions???!!<o:p></o=
:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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