[itdiscuss] Copyright

[Glenn Kelley]

We tend to ask permission for such things
No permission - we don't include and much of the time - don't use them  
period.

If you have ever seen the movie "Be Kind Rewind" - you can make a  
funny parallel
Big Business won't care about the little guy (even if we are a church)  
and will work to go after their "intellectual property."

Hope that helps


On Mar 13, 2009, at 9:05 AM, LeVeque, Josh wrote:

> I should probably clarify that I am not talking about software.   
> Software licensing tends to be pretty cut and dry as well as  
> controllable.  What I am talking about arevideos/multimedia both in  
> worship services and online, redistribution through YouTube or  
> hosted directly on the church site.  For instance, on our podcast/ 
> sermon audio, we don’t include our worship set for download or  
> streaming.  We also cut out things which fall under “fair use” in a  
> teaching environment, but could possibly not be seen the same way if  
> they were redistributed online.
>
> I know I’ve seen a blog post from Tim Stephens here.  I was just  
> wondering where others stand.
>
> Thanks,
> Josh
>
> From: discuss-bounces at itdiscuss.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at itdiscuss.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Bobby Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:23 PM
> To: IT Discussion Forum
> Subject: Re: [itdiscuss] Copyright
>
> I agree. I have had occasion to have to decide on a software  
> product. Part of the decision was that someone in the organization  
> had distributed improperly licensed versions of that product to  
> users. I decided that it was best for me to purchase the product I  
> otherwise might not have, in order to compensate the publisher for  
> the product that was effectively stolen.
>
> It may be a “render unto Caesar” (Mat 22:21) but it is also a  
> “worker deserves his wages” (1 Tim 5:18b) issue. We may not like the  
> amounts that are charged but we would be thieves if we used the  
> software without paying for the license to do so.
>
> So, if we take the “liberal” position as you’ve stated it (ask  
> forgiveness rather than permission) we also run afoul of, “Are we to  
> remain in sin so that grace may increase?” (Rom 6:1). Rather we  
> should “abstain from all appearance of evil” (1 Thes 5:22), letting  
> “[our] yes be yes and [our] no be no so that [we] may not fall into  
> judgment” (Mat 5:37) and we should “let [our] light so shine before  
> men that they may see [our] good works and glorify [our] Father in  
> Heaven.”
>
> In its own way, careless use of software, images and text for web  
> pages, bulletins, postcards, video presentations or anything else we  
> may do in the church for which we’ve not been granted the proper  
> permissions is a stain on the Church and soils the name of Jesus.
>
> OK, that was a little preachy but sometimes it just comes out. To  
> sum it up, I vote conservative.
>
> Blessings,
> Bobby Stewart
> Network Analyst
> Brentwood Baptist Church
> Brentwood, TN
> (615) 324-6149 office
> (615) 830-0012 cell
>
> From: discuss-bounces at itdiscuss.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at itdiscuss.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Thompson, Ken
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:02 PM
> To: IT Discussion Forum
> Subject: Re: [itdiscuss] Copyright
>
> MTW strives to keep both the letter and the spirit of the law. If we  
> find we have messed up we work to make it right. We prefer to ask  
> permission rather than to ask forgiveness and find that most people  
> are more than happy to give that permission.
>
> Ken Thompson
> IT Manager, Mission to the World
>
> From: discuss-bounces at itdiscuss.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at itdiscuss.org 
> ] On Behalf Of LeVeque, Josh
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:19 PM
> To: IT Discussion Forum
> Subject: [itdiscuss] Copyright
>
> Just wanted to get some opinions, how are you guys handling copyright?
>
> Would you consider your approach to be conservative (you are NOT  
> doing things you’d like to do because of copyright), neutral (you  
> dance in the grey areas) or liberal (you ask for forgiveness rather  
> than ask for permission)?  I was looking specifically when it comes  
> to what you distribute to the web or have on your servers.  What are  
> your common practices?
>
> I know it’s not a topic that lots of people want to address, but I  
> really am interested in the logic and processes you are using with  
> regards to copyright.
>
> Thanks,
> Josh
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