[itdiscuss] Certifications?

[Glenn Kelley]

I used to hire for Comcast - helping run their cable modem division.
HR would always send me folks that had certifications.

Some would say - " You will like this guy - he has his MCP and  
everything!"

The hired help normally were the ones who could answer this question  
without us spending any cash.

I have 3 offices all with a great internet connection- one in  
Philadelphia, one in BrynMayr and one in Cherry Hill - I need to  
connect them together how do you suggest we do this..."

The Microsoft Guy would suggest a Microsoft solution - his MCSD/MCSE  
was worthless to me unless I spent thousands...
The CCNA would say - ah - you can do that using a great cisco solution  
- again worthless to me unless I spent thousands...
The BSD guy and Linux girl said "well - do you have a computer we can  
use at each location - if so I can setup a VPN at no cost for you..."

Funny - none of the BSD / Linux folks had certs .... but they landed  
the job.

Certifications are great - but many come from boot camps...   On the  
Job and school of hard knocks has its value for sure...
What I do like best about guys w/ degrees however is - they have a  
different way of looking at solutions - more tried and true...

there is value in both...



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On Sep 21, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Bobby Stewart wrote:

> I've often considered that I would want certification but not  
> because of the value they might bring but because of the  
> perspectives they may offer. Most of my training is OJT which means  
> that my fingers are dirty in the bits most of the time. I like it  
> that way. Because of that my techniques might be unorthodox (i.e.  
> not the way MS might do it). Sometimes that gives me a perspective  
> on the way we do things here which might be superior in our  
> application but not necessarily in a different environment (i.e.  
> corporate).
>
> Also, from time to time, I've hired contract labor or consultants  
> with letter codes following their name and have been disappointed  
> with the practical application of what they might have learned. It  
> too often seems that the practical application of the certification  
> is not quite there. Of course, there are time when I'm thoroughly  
> put in my place by someone with those letters.
>
> So, as you can see below, I currently have no letters following my  
> name but it seems that it would be nice to have some.
>
> BTW if I were looking for a corporate job I believe the person doing  
> the hiring would be impressed with the letters.
>
> Bobby Stewart
> Network Analyst
> Brentwood Baptist Church
> Brentwood, TN
> bstewart at brentwoodbaptist.com
> (615) 324-6149 office
> (615) 830-0012 cell
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: discuss-bounces at itdiscuss.org on behalf of Jeremy Marx
> Sent: Mon 9/21/2009 10:02 AM
> To: IT Discussion Forum
> Subject: Re: [itdiscuss] Certifications?
>
>
> Jeffrey,
>
> I'm not going to tell you what certs I think are worthwhile (I'm  
> working on 70-431 myself). However, I really like what my friend  
> Brent wrote about certifications a while back. To summarize,  
> experience is cake; certifications are the icing.
>
> http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2009/04/certifications-are-the-icing-on-the-cake/
>
> <http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2009/04/certifications-are-the-icing-on-the-cake/ 
> > Jeremy Marx
> DBA / Architect
> RHEMA Bible Church
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Jeffrey Thompson  
> <jeffrey at janoah.net> wrote:
>
>
> 	I am interested in what certifications you think are worthwhile?  Why
> 	do you think it is worth the cost in time and money to get the
> 	certification? How is the best way (least expensive and fastest) to
> 	achieve the certification (please be specific as possible).
> 	
> 	In a tight economy a useful certification is another reason for the
> 	positive column for a future employer to hire you.
> 	
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